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When you search for funding independently it is very hard to explain your situation to companies because again we are doing something very niche so simply the companies a. first [do not] understand whatever we are doing b. they do not want to understand - i mean they have a ready [concept] … it is easier to import a foreign artist, - even: it is a guarantee to bring a Picasso exhibition and Picasso has been there for many years, he is an established artist so why invest on some young Turkish artists if you can easily bring Picasso …

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The state has its own state theaters, state operas. Our Ministery of Culture has a very small budget. It is very, very small and it invests all that money into its own art production, so …

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So i have to do freelance work, i get [a] salary from the university - the university pays you a salary but then,  it does not support our research …

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Whenever you are - for example - travelling to Brazil for an exhibition - even participation is a prize for us.

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When i talk about this i am talking about miracles - so when i sell something it is kind of a miracle for me - a 2d print … or when i get money from the government it is kind of a miracle.

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In Turkey we do not have a grant system. There is no grant system and when you get some money from the municipality or the state it is totally non-systemic support. Sometimes when we apply for projects abroads the government - the Ministery of Foreign Affairs - they give us money but it is not on a regular basis. You cannot take it for granted that if you make a project abroads you get money, so [there] is nothing like that.

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Whenever i convert my digital works into 2d prints i sell them.